Category Archives: Quotes
Somebody said something, somebody repeated it and referenced the original speaker. Quotes are the original Meme.
Great work from Stefan Molyneux, cutting through the bullshit once again.
Pants up, don’t loot.
Just because the police are assholes, it doesn’t mean that you aren’t.
Ballistics seem to indicate that Michael Brown (a Football player) was charging at the the officer who shot him.
Analysis of the pattern of hand gun shots seems to indicate a shooter who shot in a hurry in a tense situation, starting by jerking the trigger then tightening his grip, then too little trigger pressure. The last shot seem to be pushing anticipation recoil or perhaps even impact of the charging assailant.
Being that we have three active armed conflicts occurring at the moment (Israel v Gaza, Ukraine v Russia, and finally ISIS v anyone it can find ).
I would seem pertinent to point out multilateral treaties on conduct during war specifically pertaining to treatment of wounded individuals and non combatants, known as the Geneva conventions.
Without being too cynical in the fact that civilian deaths over the last century have proportionally increased relative to military personnel deaths, a set of agreed minimum standards of conduct were accepted in geopolitical struggles.
In a nut shell:
Much of the convention covers who is a soldier or can be treated as such, and given certain protections (such as a right to medical treatment if captured), and obligations (such as to state name rank and serial number) and what weapons and tactics can be employed.
Curiously despite certain weapon being banned, (chemical, biological, nuclear, fuel air bombs) many signatory states keep such weapons in vast quantities and occasionally deploy them.
Importantly mercenaries, snipers and spies have no protections.
Soldiers must have standardized equipment, wear uniforms and have identification and be a citizen of the state they are fighting for.
Civilians must not fight and cannot be killed or mistreated when captured.
Certain locations such as schools, hospitals and places of worship cannot be attacked.
So while it is a diplomatic agreement, breaches regularly occur, with some states being notorious for breaches of the convention.
Some excerpts from the convention relating specifically to treatment of civilians and prisoners.
The third Geneva Convention (“Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War”) covers members of the armed forces who fall into enemy hands. They are in the power of the enemy State, not of the individuals or troops who have captured them
Prisoners of war MUST be:
- Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honour.
– Enabled to inform their next of kin and the Central Prisoners of War Agency (ICRC, the International Red Cross) of their capture.
– Allowed to correspond regularly with relatives and to receive relief parcels.
– Allowed to keep their clothes, feeding utensils and personal effects.
– Supplied with adequate food and clothing.
– Provided with quarters not inferior to those of their captor’s troops.
– Given the medical care their state of health demands.
– Paid for any work they do.
– Repatriated if certified seriously ill or wounded, (but they must not resume active military duties afterwards) .
– Quickly released and repatriated when hostilities cease.
Prisoners of war must NOT be:
-Compelled to give any information other than their name, age, rank and service number.
– Deprived of money or valuables without a receipt (and these must be returned at the time of release).
– Given individual privileges other than for reasons of health, sex, age, military rank or professional qualifications.
– Held in close confinement except for breaches of the law, although their liberty can be restricted for security reasons.
- Compelled to do military work, nor work which is dangerous, unhealthy or degrading.
The fourth Geneva Convention (“Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War”) covers all individuals “who do not belong to the armed forces, take no part in the hostilities and find themselves in the hands of the Enemy or an Occupying Power”.
Protected civilians MUST be:
– Treated humanely at all times and protected against acts or threats of violence, insults and public curiosity.
– Entitled to respect for their honour, family rights, religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs.
– Specially protected, for example in safety zones, if wounded, sick, old, children under 15, expectant mothers or mothers of children under 7.
– Enabled to exchange family news of a personal kind. – Helped to secure news of family members dispersed by the conflict
– Allowed to practise their religion with ministers of their own faith. Civilians who are interned have the same rights as prisoners of war. They may also ask to have their children interned with them, and wherever possible families should be housed together and provided with the facilities to continue normal family life. Wounded or sick civilians, civilian hospitals and staff, and hospital transport by land, sea or air must be specially respected and may be placed under protection of the red cross/crescent emblem.
Protected civilians must NOT be:
– Discriminated against because of race, religion or political opinion. – Forced to give information.
– Used to shield military operations or make an area immune from military operations.
– Punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. – Women must not be indecently assaulted, raped, or forced into prostitution.
More info at: http://www.ifrc.org/
What would be the point of wining a war, if your society lost its humanity in doing so?
Justice Flick, one of three appeal judges, said he had reviewed footage of the removal of the tent dress and was shocked by what he saw.
“Those who made the directions for this conduct to be pursued should be shot. It’s grossly offensive,” he said.
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Remember a knife was cutting the tent apart just inches from the back of Kerrsions neck during the incident. This knife (called a tool by Victoria Police) was provided to MCC workers by Victoria Police during the incident. One of the council workers refused to take part in the incident and walked away, though the remaining MCC workers and police mindlessly abused the young woman by tearing away her clothes and leaving her in her underwear on the grass.
This incident occurred the day after Victoria police were humiliated by the original tent monster action which saw Kerrison and two other” tent monsters” run around the park and utterly demoralize Victoria police who felt like the fools that they were.
Clearly Victoria police don’t know the meaning of the phrase :”It’s all in good fun”
I will attempt to identify all the lies and attempt to correct them, but it is as difficult task as the picture painted is so grossly distorted.
EXCLUSIVE: OCCUPY Melbourne protesters who shut down the city and vandalised buildings have left the public with a million-dollar bill in legal fees and clean-up and other costs.
1 (Vandalized buildings? Where is the evidence of this, chalk does not count.)
Documents obtained by the Herald Sun under Freedom of Information laws reveal the public cost of protesters suing the city council, police and the State Government in legal action that ultimately failed.
2 ( Occupy Melbourne never democratically voted to be represented by Fitzroy Legal Service: Nick Carson ( a Greens Party stooge) simply announced this at a General assembly in the first week of Occupy Melbourne at City Square. Nick Carson should be held financially liable for the bills Fitzroy Legal has given to the taxpayer, he certainly attempted to profit from Occupy Melbourne and accepted no liability for his actions)
Lord Mayor Robert Doyle said he was outraged authorities had won in court, but the public still had to pay.
The City of Melbourne has paid over $554,000 to Hunt & Hunt Lawyers since 2011 after activists Sara Kerrison and James Muldoon sued, claiming the arrest and eviction of Occupy Melbourne protesters had been illegal.
3 (No one forced The City of Melbourne corporation to relentlessly harass Occupy Melbourne, who firmly believed they were acting within the law. It is also not reasonable to destroy other people’s property and then charge them for the clean- up costs. it is also not reasonable for a vexatious litigant to claim their victims are responsible for their extensive legal costs)
Council had to spend an extra $71,000 on emergency barricades and to clean up the area and remove graffiti.
4 (No one forced the illegal imprisonment of protesters or the locking up of City Square for more than a week. Similarly, no-one forced the wanton destruction of property by police)
Victoria Police’s legal bills are understood to be at least double the council’s, raising the prospect that the full bill to the public is well into seven figures.
5 (Victoria Police corporation, while acting illegally, have no right to demand their costs be met by the tax payer, furthermore no right even when acting according to statute, as they are a private corporation , not a legitimate branch of government)
When asked about the costs uncovered by the Herald Sun, Lord Mayor Robert Doyle said: “One, they took us to the Federal Court. Two, they lost.
“Three, costs were awarded against them with very little likelihood that they can pay.
“Four, the bill is $554,000 – that’s legal fees alone to the city. And they are now taking us to appeal.”
6 ( Starting a sentence with ‘And’ is pretty poor form for a professional ‘journalist’ )
The public had also footed the bill for the Occupy protesters’ failed court action.
Fitzroy Legal Service, The Human Rights Law Centre – both partly government-funded – and top barrister Ron Merkel, QC, took on the case.
7 (These parasitic incompetent law services all lined up ready to pilfer the public purse, offered poor advice, collapsed the case and then congratulated themselves on a job well done. Fitzroy Legal Service even received an award from City of Melbourne. Fitzroy Legal also attempted to steal computer equipment from Ocuppy Melboure and actually destroyed some video evidence they were entrusted with. )
Mr Muldoon and Ms Kerrison lost a Federal Court challenge last year after seeking to restrain the City of Melbourne from what they argued was unlawful conduct in regards to compliance notices issued by the council.
8 ( The extremely poor advice caused the loss of the case, the most fundamental constitutional principle, section 109 was not mentioned. Mr Muldoon ( a law student ) who used his limited and self-serving involvement in Occupy Melbourne to then offer university law lectures on the topic, strangely was told he was not a representative of Occupy Melbourne at the last hearing, leaving Ms Kerrison effectively holding the bag. This was despite both litigants seeking and receiving the blessing from a public general assembly at Occupy Melbourne to represent Occupy Melbourne in federal court. In short Muldoon (a law student from a wealthy family) should be just as liable as Kerrison, but as usual the law society looks after its own )
The court backed the police arrests.
Ms Kerrison has now filed an appeal to the Full Federal Court. She faces a potential $1 million plus legal bill from Melbourne City Council, Victoria Police and the state if she loses that.
The Occupy Melbourne group, which was part of the worldwide Occupy movement, was issued with council penalty notices after it erected tents in the City Square and two CBD gardens in November 2011.
Police clashed with demonstrators when they arrested almost 100 people after ordering them to leave.
9 ( The arrests were illegal, as you have a right to protest, and Ms Kerrison is quite within her rights to appeal such a flawed decision)
Following a WikiLeaks protest at the US consulate in October 2012, Ms Kerrison was fined $1000 without conviction on three charges including hindering and resisting police and theft of police handcuffs.
10 (Victoria Police targeted Ms Kerrison for abuse since the initial tent monster incident in december 2011: the very next day she was thrown to the asphalt when there was oncoming traffic. At the WikiLeaks protest she was snatched (from the arms of another protester) and abducted by the police for no reason, and dumped in St Kilda. The handcuffs she was accused of stealing were the handcuffs on her wrists. Police were just too incompetent to realize she slipped them off her wrists and they had gone missing, because dumping abducted activists is a deniable operation and nothing gets written down. Kerrison could easily claim the handcuffs are evidence of a crime and hers to keep until the matter is resolved in court of law)
Melbourne city Councillor Richard Foster, describing the fees as substantial, said: “I would be very guarded on expending ourselves on further proceedings.”
11 (Richard Forster is well-known political opportunist, and former lawyer for a big bank, he campaigned on MCC transparency, and once elected pushed for more secrecy, good example of the people who Occupy are against)
Ratepayers Victoria president Jack Davis said once again the public was left to pay.
12 (Occupy Melbourne, to the best of my knowledge are not demanding public money, greedy incompetent lawyers are demanding money from the public and are using Occupy Melbourne as the scapegoat for their greed. Rate payers are reminded that if they vote for incompetent narcissistic fascists they deserve what they get, a nasty surprise)
Christopher Gillett has grossly misled the public with this heavily biased corporate press release. It’s no surprise the Herald Sun is part of the Rupert Murdoch /Fox News propaganda empire.
Advice for Ms Kerrison:
Keep on appealing but you need to learn the legal principles that are being used against you. Be aware that the legal system is a façade and that the entire process is in commerce and for profit, sometimes simply wearing them down is the best solution. Be aware that the law society is the lawyers, police and judges all working together to fleece the public and the court case is a minor squabble among them to decide which of them (not you) gets paid. These minor squabbles are seldom ever interrupted unless the public get too interested or offended by the blatant injustice. Remember the horribly brutalised protesters at the S11 protest still have received no compensation.
Justice is the last thing the justice system is about, look at the giant metal mural on the country court, a woman blind to reason with the scales of commerce tilted in her favour and propped up by and reliant on force, the sword as a walking cane, this should be a clue as to what occurs in the building.
Get real advice about the law not advice from slimy back stabbing lawyers who just see you as a walking pay check and totally disposable. Just like the way Muldoon sold you out behind your back.
For those of you astute enough to notice, voting changes nothing, a protest, picket, or blockade is more likely to get some positive change from the state.
So what do you know the state wants to effectively remove that mechanism in Victoria. In Victoria plans are afoot to expand police move on powers to include protesters.
The no general move on during a protest, is effectively what allows a protest to occur, even now police will issue a move on knowing protesters have the right to refuse to move on and every right to protest.
Police will even assault and drag away protesters despite protesters having the right to stand their ground.
For any protest this is GAME OVER.
Your last remaining political voice is almost gone and likely with a hefty fine attached to it.