Occupy Melbourne investigates ‘The Greens’

Recently the Greens in Melbourne City Council decided to do some party promotion media stunts. They got Carl Scrace to hastily make a media release stating that he wanted MCC to investigate the Occupy Melbourne City Square eviction of  November 21 2011. Of course this was a media stunt because a federal court case is still ongoing, no investigation by anyone is really appropriate. It was just an opportunity for the Greens and any other political opportunist to grandstand about how 18 months later they support the Occupy Melbourne protests. Thanks for declaring your support now, you still aren’t actually helping us. We predicted this little ill conceived media stunt would simply crash and burn, and it did. But it made us rethink again how the Greens really did nothing for us and really could have done something, especially considering their claimed ideals.

The Characters

adambandt

Adam Bandt  -Greens Federal for Melbourne.

the MCC media stunt pro investigation votes.

Cathy Oke Greens MCC councilor

Cathy Oke Greens MCC councilor

Rohan Leppert  - Greens MCC

Rohan Leppert – Greens MCC

Stephen Mayne MCC Political opportunist  - Greens and ALP leaning when it suits him.

Stephen Mayne MCC Political opportunist – Greens and ALP leaning when it suits him.

Dr Jackie Watt

Dr Jackie Watt

Dr Jackie Watt – RMIT Education PhD. ALP links.

As we can see two pro votes were from Greens , one from an opportunist, one from someone with ALP links. We’ll give Dr Jackie Watt the benefit of the doubt for now.

So there we have it, a Greens inspired media stunt to leverage media coverage of Occupy Melbourne, which they put nothing into and now are attempting to claim as their own.

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Were the Greens involved from the beginning?

Right from the beginning we all wondered if there was a connection between ‘The Greens’ political party and Occupy Melbourne or even the movement as a whole. They deny it.

Adam Bandt denies involvement in Occupy Melbourne.

Adam Bandt denies involvement in Occupy Melbourne.

The first clue was Nick Carson, who made the disclaimer that he let his Greens membership lapse. The next clue was Adam Bandt  (federal member for Melbourne) arriving at the City Square During the first OM camp.

Nick Carson can't say he never knew Adam Bandt.

Nick Carson can’t say he never knew Adam Bandt.

Nick Carson trying to get votes for the greens.

Nick Carson trying to get votes for the greens.

The next clue was the City Square eviction. How was that a clue? Well Adam Bandt and the Greens held the balance of power in both the Senate and the House of Representatives at the time. Had they decided to make and issue of Occupy Melbourne’s rights to make a political point and demonstrate, they certainly had the power to bring down the government over the issue. Remember this was a government that was a minority government that needed alliances with 3 independents and Adam Bandt from The Greens to have the numbers to govern. Just one dissenter in their ranks was enough to make things very complex for them.  Adam Bandt could have voted against them on any bill they tried to pass into law. Adam Bandt’s Green party in the Senate could have struck down two bills and caused a snap election. He was literally holding the government by the balls and just quietly moaned as they slapped against his chin.

Australian political balance of power in 2011 during the brutal occupy Melbourne City Square eviction. The greens held balance of power in both houses.

Australian political balance of power in 2011 during the brutal occupy Melbourne City Square eviction. The Greens held balance of power in both houses.

So rather than care about our legal right to protest, the Greens turned their backs on us and just complained afterwards.

Most ironically Adam Bandt talks about his highest passions , human rights and the environment, but he allowed dozens of peaceful protestors to be brutalized in the middle of Australia’s second biggest city, he allowed 17 truck loads of their possessions to be destroyed and thrown into landfill.

Bandt wikipedia quote

Why?

Because the Greens planned to do nothing socially useful in their entire term and need to attach themselves to a populist cause, preferably something high profile and no longer existent, a martyr cause.

The Greens used Occupy Melbourne as an opportunity to  find a popular cause, kill it from the inside, and then use its remains as a platform, simply put: to grandstand on our corpse. After killing it, they just needed to make sure it was completely silent or only making pro Green party murmurs. How’s that working out for you guys?

How?

To make sure OM died the Greens got their operatives in the camp. Most never even stayed one night there, though they felt completely entitled to make decisions that affected those who did.

To make sure OM never said inconvenient things or figured out the truth, their operatives stymied debate, hijacked groups (most significantly the media group), installed politically correct language and culture.

All of the media assets were hijacked and controlled to make sure the messages could be controlled before during and after the protest in the parks.

One of the most obvious Greens operatives was Nick Carson a former greens candidate, he surrounded him self with other operatives to form a quorum to back up his position and point of view.

He hijacked the main Facebook groups putting himself and other operatives as administrators to completely control everything.

Winter 2012 they released ‘Occupy Reflects’, to whitewash themselves out of any possible guilt and to proclaim OM dead and buried.

Nick Carson was probably promised some form of political position for his efforts, but with the discovery and publication of his actions that is now unlikely.

It was relatively obvious who Nick Carson’s fellow Greens operatives were, they all have one thing in common, Marxism.

Karl Marx, whats behind all that 'Green'.

Karl Marx, what’s behind all that ‘Green’.

It’s well known many green movements are watermelons, Marxism disguised as environmentalism. The Greens Party in Australia are no different.

http://occupymelbourne.net/2013/03/12/watermelon-its-form-of-politics-no-charity-for-ugly-frogs/

Marxism in brief.

Karl Marx’s ideas were a response to the industrial revolution, the transformation of economic systems from feudalism to capitalism. Marx’s ideas we initially successful in places like Russia and China but the as the rest of the world looked on, other disenchanted workers saw it as less desirable (less freedom, less wealth) than capitalism or feudalism. So in the 20th century Marxist ideas (second wave) were not targeted to the working class (who rejected them), but instead to second rate academics and the marginalized members of society.  The biggest success of Marxism’s second wave was Feminism, Gay rights, Racial equality, Environmentalism. This is not to say they were not good things, but rather to point out these areas of academia are absolutely full of Marxist ideology.

Lets look at the Marxist greens and tie some threads together.

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Critical theory.

Criticize everything except Marxism, don’t offer a solution, because the unspoken solution is Marxism. Critical theory is a hijacking of the term critical thought. Critical thought comes from critique, whereas critical theory comes from the term criticize. Subtle distinction you might say, but a critique is a careful examination that is balanced and objective. Criticize is usually emotionally charged and unbalanced, leaving out opposing arguments.

The Greens just criticized the local council, they didn’t use their political power to stop them. 18 months later they attempted to get political/media profile out of Occupy Melbourne, hoping everyone forgot they denied all connections at the time, did nothing to help, and now care because its an election year.

*OM: many Marxists just criticized what everyone else was doing, but did nothing to help or offer a better solution.

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Education system.

Keep Marxist though secretly as a corner stone of all thought. Promote specific thought terminating cliches to defend Marxism. Make people think they are smart if they can recall which (thought terminating) cliche is the best to end a debate.Marxist thought absolutely pervades arts, social sciences and education departments in higher education. Marxists even created a whole language of cliches and word for things called politically correct language. The politics that was correct in this language was Marxism, but that wasn’t specifically stated. If you think you know everything about the world straight out of university, you are a fool. Much of what you learned was dogma and after leaving university you should find out what was true and what was false. Much of the education system is geared toward leveling everybody out to the same mediocre level, praise the fools and chastise the clever.

Most of the Greens candidates are educated in law, arts and education, most of them are Marxists whether they realize it or not.

*OM: While we had a education working group it largely did nothing, I think it was just there to promote thought terminating cliches and promote politically correct language.

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Feminism.

Hijack a group of women who want a better life in capitalism and tell them they are a oppressed by the man’s system (capitalism), make them hate and wish to subjugate men.

Women: men and women are not equal, just as apples and oranges are not equal. Men and women are different but have similarities.

In some circumstances they could be treated equally. I could use either to make apple juice or orange juice. Often both are needed to make a better product, orange juice is better with an apple base. Sometimes one is never a substitute for the other, Apple pie, duck l’Orange.

This is not to say men and women shouldn’t be treated equally where it makes sense to do so.

In the siege of Stalingrad the Russians used many female snipers, some as young as 12 years old, because a rifle can be used by either gender at more or less the same difficulty, unlike the sword that came before it. The use of women in the military in Russia wasn’t so much a triumph for women’s rights, it was more a consequence of the desperation of the Russians who lost more people to world war 2 than any other country.

Lyudmila Mikhailivna Pavlichenko, One of 2000 female Russian Snipers of WW2. She was credited with 309 kills.

Lyudmila Mikhailivna Pavlichenko, One of 2000 female Russian Snipers of WW2. She was credited with 309 kills.

It wasn’t just the Russians that were keen to use women for the war effort, Women all over the world were encouraged into factories and industries where they had never been before, apart from being secretaries or eye candy. The real feminist push came in the generation following this, when women grew up with mothers who have been in wartime factories and traditionally male dominated professions, only to find their mothers’ careers were somehow off-limits to them. This also coincided with the consolidation of Marxist thought in the embryonic feminist theory being taught at universities.

Women working in a munitions factory in WW2, industrial work was largely unknown for women before this time.

Women working in a munitions factory in WW2, industrial work was largely unknown for women before this time.

But men and women should not attempt equality where it makes no sense.

Men can give birth, but does it make a lot of sense to go through all the required surgery and operations, when most women are naturally equipped to to so?

How would women feel paying a tax so men can have operations to get a uterus and give birth?

If you are a woman and you want equality that really means something in the real world, get a gun, that is a real equalizer.

Find a feminist who is not an environmentalist, pretty rare, there is no other obvious logical connection between these two ideologies other than Marxism.

Feminists if you really care about the environment stop using sanitary products containing sphagnum moss, which is harvested by destroying wetlands.

*OM: There was a feminist working group, most of the attendees were women of course, a few men went along, most sessions were apparently to complain about men doing relatively minor things that upset their sensibilities. Most of the men and some of the women attending these meeting were just trying to find women to sleep with. Interestingly they never complained about male (or female) sex predators which did exist sadly.

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Lack of democracy.

Democracy sounds good and fair, people like the sound of the word, it implies fairness, Marxists subvert it where possible with bloc voting, stacking elections, forming committees, if needed Marxists find reasons for when it should be abandoned (in favor of Marxist agenda).

Find a democratic reform group that doesn’t use lots of politically correct language: Marxist infiltration.

OM: Many important decisions were made in working groups, though these groups were supposed to be open and transparent, in reality most were closed and didn’t have or release minutes. The facilitation working group was designed to help moderate debates, it was meant to be neutral but in many cases steered debate, or simply denied democracy.

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Bureaucracy and cronyism.

Always have cronies and useful idiots at all levels ready to distract and deflect debate with thought terminating cliches. Always have a committee, committees are great, they appear to be a collection of experts and affected individuals making a decision, and it appears to be democratic. Nothing is further from the truth. Committees are usually stacked from the beginning, have very little knowledge of the subject they are making decisions on and are generally unaffected by the decision they make. Committees often have hidden agendas and love making rules for everyone else that they are immune from somehow.

Successful small businesses don’t have committees. Committees and boards of directors are for large inefficient dinosaurs. The communist party has a chairman, governments have committees.

OM: Working groups were often filled with cronies to stack votes and sway opinions.

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Lack of transparency.

You don’t need to cover your tracks if there is no transparency in the first instance. The Greens in Australia do not allow media at their conferences, however ALP the Liberals do. Why so secretive?

If Marxism is so great, why is it hiding in so many places?

OM: General assembly minutes sometimes got lost and were sometimes altered before release. Working groups were very much closed. The most secretive were Facilitation, Media and First aid and care.

Facilitation and media should have been the most open, not the most closed. First aid and care certainly covered up at least one sexual assault, probably more.

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Global aspirations.

Does anyone remember the environmental slogan of the 90′s  ‘Think Globally, act locally’, it’s an example of the global aspirations of environmentalism and Marxism.

Think Marxism globally, Act Marxist locally.

OM:  It was a global movement, I think about the word ‘global’ differently now.

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Massive hypocrisy.

After East Germany collapsed and was absorbed by the capitalist west, enclaves were discovered where the party elites lived, They were full of luxuries the working class could not afford to buy. Many luxuries were illegally imported products from the west that no one was permitted to posses in their glorious workers paradise. Ultimately communism in East Germany was just a dishonest version of capitalism disguised as communism to keep the workers uninformed and compliant.

Hypocrisy is a really strong trait in Marxists, they always have a reason why ‘some animals are more equal that others’.

OM: The Greens operatives almost without exception never stayed in the park from dusk till dawn. Because they were better than everyone else. A true polit bureau.

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Environment.

Ever heard of meteorology or climatology? You have more likely hear of climate science which is not a science at all but claims to be. The committee raises its ugly head again and claims to be an expert (wrong) or claims to have consensus (it doesn’t). Committees don’t do science and consensus is what hold back science not what advances it. The number of people who died because of their scientific idea is staggering, many people died believing outdated theories. Much of the newer paradigms in science were only adopted as truth when people literary grew up in the new paradigm with the old guard simply dying of old age. This didn’t make them right (repeatability and making correct predictions made them correct) but science is a culture and one very resistant to change. In the 90s it was called global warming, because the globe was warming in that period, in the 2000′s it was called climate change (because it was actually cooling down), there’s a big change of the goal posts  right there. In the 70s scientists were terrified of a new ice age.

Global warming is not happening, humans are not a significant factor in global temperature.

http://occupymelbourne.net/2013/03/12/watermelon-its-form-of-politics-no-charity-for-ugly-frogs/

Global warming, Global scam for Marxist control.

OM: Most people believed in global warming. Most people had no idea this is a massive scam. I’m not sure who’s idea it was for use to eat off plastic disposable plates and use disposable cutlery, but everything else got stolen or destroyed by the council ultimately.

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One political term with Greens having some real power:

So our Green party in Australia, what have they done with their small dose of power? Installed a huge tax on everyone in Australia to sending the money offshore to unaccountable people.

If you are a big polluter you pay very little.

Corruption and cronyism: big businesses in bed with the state are protected. Some animals are more equal that other animals.

If you are small business you can’t blame your recent cost increase on carbon tax (that is an offense).

Promoting secrecy around the secret tax , the secret theft.

If you are a poor house holder you will be compensated (at least for now) for the cost addition to your expenses.

Pushing more people to welfare where they can be controlled.

Where did the tax  payment really come from, more foreign debt?

More foreign debt means less control over you own country, it slowly slides into the hands of the globalist Marxists.

We'll so weaken you economy (with carbon tax) until you fall...

We’ll so weaken you economy (with carbon tax) until you fall…

What went wrong?

They all underestimated a hard core who refused to give up despite the slander, insults lies and offensive behavior of Nick Carson’s Marxist Green hijacker cell.

We bled for this movement, we were harassed 24/7, we were robbed by council workers and other less organized criminals, we were assaulted and threatened by police. For most people this is enough to turn them off, but for some it meant the sunk cost was too high to just walk away, and let the parasites bleed the movement dry and use it for infecting the rest of society.

But that’s the trouble with using delusional flunkies to do your dirty work, it’s hard to get good flunkies, because flunkies are usually incompetent and stupid.

Beside every main gate there is a side door, this is that door. And the door is getting more and more traffic, so much so, it’s going to eventually be the main door.

Bad guys think they have gotten away with it, until the A team arrives.

Bad guys think they have gotten away with it, until the A team arrives.

Posted on March 23, 2013, in Adam Bandt, Australia, Carl Scrace, Faketivists, Law & Government, Marxism, Melbourne, Nick Carson Narcisstic Scumbag, Politics, The Greens, Victoria, Whistle Blowers and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 11 Comments.

  1. Marxism is so deeply entrenched in our intellectual culture, that it’s very hard to make a case against it without being ridiculed. Marxism is a materialist philosophy which has eroded society’s cultural and spiritual values. It’s at the heart of our alienated,” just for profit”. society. Here is some further reading :http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth13.html

  2. Or you could try this for a bit of an introduction: The History of Political Correctness

  3. Female factory work was common by the 19th century, although most women stopped working there, once they had families. (There were exceptions, like if for example your husband was a known drunkard or could not work for health reasons etc) Of course the heavier industrial factory l work was largely performed by men(and still is). The problem I have with Marxism is that it equates paid work with equality. Somehow, women are not equal, unless they perform the same work as men with equal pay. That is a very materialistic view.
    The real question is, if women are created equal as human beings and here the problems of biblical patriarchy go very deep, with Eve being created out of Adam’s rib (yeah, right) and blamed for the fall from paradise. Obviously the story of Genesis alone, a perversion and reversion of earlier Sumerian and Babylonian myths, creates a problem for the role of women in society. It has it’s root in “womb” envy, the male envy that women could somehow perform the magical act of creation and were therefore superior. As Marx attempted to throw out all religion, calling it the opium of the masses( and thereby also throwing out the baby with the bathwater), the idea of material equality came about..

    Women in the West achieved a great deal of rights in the 20th century , technological advances and better contraception were very helpful here. But somehow the Marxist intellectuals want to continue the bickering about how women are supposedly ‘suppressed’ and oppressed. This happened a lot at OM and was a huge distraction from the real issues, which suppress men and women equally

  4. What a weird and wacky rant. You conflate illogical conclusions and unsubstantiated assertions with some rather spurious historical assumptions that do nothing to further your cause. Which is…?.

    The Occupy movement was (or maybe still is) something that we all could support and become active within precisely because it wasn’t about any single issue. It was/is about empowering the powerless who are trapped within laissez-faire capitalism and enabled us all to speak out collectively. What you are doing is debasing that and doing what the left has been doing to itself for over a century, bitching a whining about what another activists are or aren’t doing
    . Have a go at BHP or Goldman Sacks or Microsoft. In other words, the enemy.

    How long did this take to put together anyway? You obviously don’t have anything to work on. Look around you and pick an issue. There are so many. But stop bitching.

    • Illogical conclusions? Unsubstantiated assumptions? you are going to have to debate specific points otherwise your criticism is unsubstantiated and illogical. It is you who have made a wacky rant.

      There were many causes in Occupy, the major ones being:
      The dishonest and inherently unstable monetary system.
      Corporate control of government and vice versa.
      The right to peaceably assemble.
      I never remember anyone talking about laissez-faire capitalism, in fact it would be an improvement over the current merger of state and corporate power.

      Occupy was never about left versus right, it was about wrong versus right and freedom versus authoritarianism.

      We felt several socialist groups overtly and covertly undermined many parts of occupy, socialists being part of the left, the left debased occupy, not the other way around.If an activist wants to take a holiday that’s fine, If faketivists block activists then they become a legitimate target for criticism.

      So before we take on the large corporate governmental machine we must make sure we rid ourselves of false ideas and false prophets.
      Karl Marx a false prophet. Marxism failed, even North Korea gave up Marxism. Get over it.

      Keep reading the other posts we talk about corporates and governments and their dirty games routinely.

      I find it interesting you attack me for writing this article and state that I shouldn’t attack activists for what they do. Hypocrisy? I guess you are more equal than other animals.
      Love, George Orwell

  5. theprisonerno6

    an article with similar thoughts
    http://tiny.cc/by6cuw

  6. I’m not too interested in the whole Melbourne uni style marxism debate thing here, i think what’s more important is that the greens could have used their political power to actually stop doyles attack on occupy melbourne, anyway, i think they are like all other politicians.

  7. Another reason why so many women wanted to enter the full time workplace in the post war era was that the workplace was finally becoming a largely indoor, comfortable and safe environment to spend time in.

    Previously ‘work’ typically meant toiling the fields, working down mines, up chimneys, in shipyards, in dangerous factories and so on. During the 20th century this all changed. Even factory work these days is typically well lit, well heated, largely mechanised and full of ‘health and safety’ provisions – conditions previously only enjoyed by a privileged few.

    (Hijacked) feminist propaganda teaches that men forbid women to enjoy the freedom of a full time career (and chained them to the kitchen sink instead) for centuries but finally a few decades ago women managed to break free of this oppression – yay!

    But in reality most men throughout history selflessly and dutifully toiled themselves to ill health, injury and a premature death in (what we would consider today) atrocious conditions, doing work which no woman (or man) would ever CHOOSE to do….. and all so they could provide for their families.

    The first task in feminism is to expose hijacked feminist (socialist) propaganda for what it is :)

    As an antidote to this propaganda there’s some great wisdom to be had HERE.

  8. We just had a recent commentator wanting to defend Cr leppert And Carl Scrace. and used incorrect claims in their article.

    ADMIN:

    Correction to reflect facts and restate position

    Mr Scrace was not sure who was behind Occupymelbourne.net but said “their behaviour to me is baffling. I tried to understand it but now I just try to ignore it.”

    Correction Carl Scrace has been following occupymelbourne.net for more than 7 months. You should know better than to believe what politicians say without checking facts.

    Our criticism of the greens is based on their lack of real support for OM. they like the political capital of stating they support it and never lifted a finger. More broadly we criticize the greens for being the ALP ‘B team’ and closet Marxists. we know how bad Marxism is take a look at the 62 million people in the soviet union killed by the Marxist governments there.
    Cr Leppert could have shown judgement in whether or not to stand on the green ticket to get into MCC having full knowledge that the greens did nothing to stop the brutal city square eviction, but was happy to stand on their coat tails. so he gets to enjoy the blame as well a the support.
    It’s so typical of politicians to want to have their cake and eat it.

    You can tell it’s an election year with all the white washing.

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